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I hate getting up in the morning. Then again, I also hate going to bed at night. Because I like to sleep...once I'm asleep. And I like to be awake, up and doing things, once I'm fully awake. Apparently it is the transition from one state to the next that annoys me. :)

But I'm up and awake now. Just not quite thinking yet. Some days it takes a few...hours.

You know, I've got to conclude something. (And this is stuff I've probably said before in some form, so sorry for any redundancy. :) Mainly I am clarifying some things for myself.) Heathenry is a reconstructed religion, but I think it has passed the point of being a reconstructionist religion. Yes, there's a wide range of practice and there are particular groups (some of the Anglo-Saxon heathen groups come to mind) that do have a stronger focus on it, who when they find that something in existing practice had a modern (or, more to the point, non-heathen) origin, they eliminate or change it--or make small changes to existing practice based on new information. I seem to recall that some group has tried a different sumbel format recently--not sure if it was Pollington's Meadhall that inspired it or a combination of things--which is cool. And on a less formal level, something like the Hammer Rite has become less common, although it is still used and (my guess) will always be used by quite a few folks.

But this is a problem with reconstructionist faiths, or perhaps I should say it is a problem for reconstructionist faiths. Once the religion gets to any size, the majority of adherents will no longer be those who will happily scour primary and secondary sources for liturgical detail for hours on end. Eventually, most folks are going to be there to practice the religion as it stands, regardless of its origins. If a reconstructed religion is a functional one that will serve the needs of its adherents, it will succeed. If it is not, it won't. There are not enough people out there for whom the primary goal of religion is to worship as the ancients did to support a growing faith; there are, I think, enough for whom this is one of several important things that they will choose a reconstructed faith over a wholly modern one--but if the execution sucks, the simple fact of it being inspired by the past will not hold them there.

But even given a religion that can stand on its own merits and flourish, and attract new people, there's still a potential problem, which I started out talking about before getting distracted in the last paragraph :). Not everyone is going to want to work from scratch, and after a certain point I'm not sure this is wholly desirable if any sort of continuity is desired.

I go to old sources as a Hellenic recon because--well, because it's fun :)--but also because while some standards are evolving they are not set in stone, and because there are plenty of areas which really have not been worked out that much.

However, my first resources when I started trying to put heathen rituals together were things likie Gundarsson's Teutonic Religion. They were more accessible, of course--but mainly, they provided a good idea of what modern heathens were actually doing these days. (Okay, so Gundarsson's liturgy isn't necessarily the best example here, I know I'll never be doing anything that high-church--but you see my point. :)) If there was wrong info in there, that's what I used. Hell, what did I know? And, honestly, as a brand-new heathen just trying to figure out the system, I wanted to know that what I was doing was at least close to what other folks were doing. As it happens, I like to do the additional research. Not everyone will. Not everyone should have to. And not all of those who do are going to want to make changes from a liturgy that they know and love--and that works!--because of new information. I'm not sure I would. If it turned out that all the old info was wrong and the ancients actually sumbeled with milk? Well, I'm sticking with mead anyway.

So (since I do have a reconstructionist bent) I do feel like it's important to be as accurate as possible when recreating a new liturgy, because whatever you end up with, it's going to stick once the religion starts to attract folks who just want to be there and honor the gods. I certainly see that notion in action in Hellenic reconstructionism. Once you've got that standard, though, I think you have to accept that the extent to which you can make changes later is going to be limited. There's no Hellenic pope who can say "Okay, remember the way we used to make linations? Well, that was wrong and from now on we're going to do this." Not a big issue currently but, assuming a certain rate of growth, it probably will be someday.

Even on a larger scale I can see this in play--it's not just a matter of outdated practices hanging on because people don't know any better, it also has to do with those practices having become a part of the modern tradition. I can kind of see this in ADF (not a reconstructionist faith so not the best comparison, but it's t he one I've got :)). IIRC there's a specific statement somewhere that if something is found to be incorrect, the thing to do is change it. And this does happen--eliminating books from the recommended reading that have been found inaccurate, etc. But if it's something core (like the Dumezilian tripartite thing) it tends to stay. And, you know, if it works, that's cool; ADF's liturgy has gotten to the point where it stands alone in spite of its sources. And ADF is a neopagan organization in any case. But for a religion to succeed it has to have some solidity, I think.

I guess what I'm thinking is that...well, for one thing, I'm thinking that there's no real solution here. You can't build a solid religion if you're always going to be changing the details. But without that option, can you call these religions reconstructionist?
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Or, "It's better to do nothing than to do it wrong."

There's been a discussion on one of my heathen groups lately that has made me think about one of the current issues in Hellenism.

Folks were talking about the Hammer Rite--which is something sometimes used to prepare a ritual space. It takes various formats, the one I'm familiar with is "Hammer in the north, hold and hallow this holy stead, etc." It has, to anyone who has any familiarity with Wiccan practice, at least something of a neopagan feel to it and supposedly was based on the Lesser Banishing Ritual of the Pentagram (or so I'm told). I've seen alternate ways to prepare the space where the dwarves of the directions, or the wights of various elements, are called beforehand. There followed some discussion of how its use had become less common over the years as more people learned that it has no real basis in ancient heathen practice, but some people and groups do still make use of it, because it's familiar, and because there's some question of whether it's functionally the same thing as the LBRP...anyway, so the issue thirty years ago was not only that the reconstructed faith was new and research had not developed as it has now, but that those folks who were trying to get it reconstructed were concerned with making information available so people could get down to the business of honoring the gods.

So while I still think that at some point you really need to put down the books and hold a ritual or remain an armchair reconstructionist, the folks who tend to put things off until everything is "just so" do have a point. Once something gets out into common practice, it's pretty hard to be rid of it, even if it's found later not to be accurate. There's been some discussion of just where some parts of Old Stones New Temples came from--that they may have been innovations rather than taken directly from original sources and, more to the point, that which parts were innovations may not have been identified as such. (Which is fair enough--it's going to be hard to hold a ritual without doing something new to fill in the missing spots, and we have to make our best guess based on the information we do have as to what to do. But the degree of innovation should be specified.)

Where I see a potential problem is here: right now Hellenic reconstructionism is pretty new, and the folks who are active in it are likely to be willing to change their practice if new research directs them in that way. Two things come to mind. One, that there isn't really a standard worshipping procedure now--the outline in OSNT is probably as close as anyone has come to having one, and I know as many Hellenes who don't use it as do. Eventually that'll happen--there will be more-or-less-established ways of doing ritual. Right now the religion is still fairly liquid, but eventually it will become more firm (although hopefully not solidify entirely) and there will be practices that are identifiably Hellenic recon. And two, as the religion grows, there will be a smaller percentage of adherents who do their own research, and a greater one of adherents who just want to worship the gods given a few basic sources.

These two factors mean that it's going to be awfully hard to strip away the "wrong" stuff in just a few years. Just as there are heathens who will continue using the Hammer Rite regardless of what new research brings--maybe because they learned their ritual structure years ago and have not kept up with new research, or because they don't have a strongly reconstructionist bent (when a reconstructed faith gets to a certain point, it will have to stand or fall on its own merits, and not everyone who joins up will do so because of a strong personal interest in reconstructionism per se) and don't care all that much about the original source, or because they feel that the function it performs is a necessary one in the modern context (no modern hofs or temples = no established permanent sacred space, thus the need to create new before ritual), or simply because the modern tradition (years spent doing ritual in a particular way) is more important to them than the ancient one--there will be Hellenic recons who stick to their original model for doing libations or whatever.

I don't really see a good solution, just saying what I think is likely to happen :).
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Sometimes when I think about things like Why, I think of how I would explain them to my children.

So, why is it that I take a fairly reconstructionist approach to religion?

And the thought came to me of cheesecake. Perhaps because I make it so often for the feast following a ritual.

Say you want to get to know someone, be on good terms with them, and you don't know much about them but you do know that they like cheesecake. (You know that their friends in the past had made them plain cheesecake and they enjoyed it.) You'd make them a cheesecake.

And maybe as you got to know them a little better, you'd put some strawberries on top, or mix in some crumbled brownies, or even make a chocolate cheesecake instead--additions or changes that go with cheesecake.

What you wouldn't do is mix in some brussels sprouts, or top it with barbecue sauce. Because, as good as brussels sprouts or barbecue sauce might be in other contexts, they are not cheesecake-compatible foods.

It's a matter of doing what you perceive will be enjoyed and well-received.




I am, actually, a semi-reconstructionist. Mostly this has to do with differences of theology rather than of practice (and with the incomplete nature of known info), but I also think that a better word for what many recons do might be "revivalist," because that word would indicate more strongly that we are bringing an old faith back to life and trying to put it in a modern context and give it meaning there, rather than trying to recreate the context in which it originally existed.
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Went to Pagan Coffee Night tonight, which is always fun, and occasionally thought-provoking. Tonight it was. We were discussing Troy (which I have not seen, but several of the folks there have) and that led into discussion of the bases of reconstructionist religions--literary and archaeological evidence--and that led into a discussion of the question "If, tomorrow, new evidence turns up that is contrary to what you have known about the religion you are reconstructing, how would that affect your beliefs (and practices, presumably)?"

It's an interesting question, and we discussed it for a while. I think (although I suppose you couldn't know for sure unless it happened) that very little that could turn up would be likely to change the core of my belief, but that certainly the details would be open to reinterpretation. I think that would be the case.

I also think that such a thing would be more likely to affect those folks who take a very fundamentalist approach, such as the Edda-thumpers who consider Ragnarok to be more literal than figurative. For example, Loki: there are plenty of heathens who not only avoid dealing with Loki in their personal practice, they don't think there is a place for him in heathenry at all. The two sorts of reason I've heard for not dealing with Loki are the moral (since, if you take the lore literally, he is destined to betray the Aesir and side with the etins at Ragnarok, it is a bad idea to have any dealings with him at all) and the historical (since there is no evidence of a Loki cult in the historical record--no temples, no recorded worship, no places named for him--he was surely not a god any more than any etin and should not be treated as one). But what if evidence turned up that Loki did have a cult following--that the ancients did honor him in some fashion? Would the folks who leave the sumbel when someone toasts him have a change of heart? Or would they maintain their present position? Or would it depend on the reason they don't deal with him in the first place--might it be that the historical folks would change and the moral folks would not?

Another thought comes to mind, and that is that this sort of thing has happened in the past. Think of all the goddess-worshippers who built a theology upon the theories of Marija Gimbutas--when those theories were thrown into doubt (and they are no longer in favor among her academic community, haven't been in some time) did they abandon them? Some did, I'm sure. But you still see plenty of folks who believe in a near-Utopian prehistoric matriarchy, and take any criticism of it very poorly indeed.

Hell, think of Christianity and evolution. For a lot of people, Darwin turned their world upside down. And now? Well, more liberal Christian sects seem to have little trouble with it, finding that evolution does not conflict with or contradict their non-literal interpretation of Biblical lore. The fundamentalists, however, deny it, refuse to include it in their view of the world, and that's where "creation science" came from--because a literal interpretation of their Bible does find it to be a problem.

Very likely the same thing would happen among the recon communities if something new and surprising were to turn up.
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